They are it is around 8 out of 10 rape cases are from someone the person knows. It is not the creepy guy in a back alley waiting to assault a girl

 

That depends, Mr Whiteknight.

Are you intentionally putting yourself in harm's way?

Would you go to a neo-nazi thug rally?

 

If this, then that.....
There's no guarantee a victim's actions contribute to the occurence of a crime.

Criminal behavior begins with the intent of the perpetrator. That perpetrator conceived and initiated criminal act--the victim is morally absolved.

 

my friends parents called the police. i was shaking, crying, and pretty close to hysteria after. it was the guy my sister was talking to, they were decent guys, they were attractive, had fancy cars... and the girl that was with them was someone i knew. i went to elementary school with her. my sister had left, and her guy's friend was talking to me all night, and i liked him back so i stayed. when i was 19 i listened to heavy metal music. i did not dress slutty, i probably had on JNCO jeans (remember the 90's?...). the girl i knew went into another room with one guy, and suddenly my sister's guy and his friend turned on me, and attacked me. one put a cigarette out on my forehead, and the most i remember about it is trying to get one of them off of me. they thought that because the other girl was currently fucking their friend, i had to fuck them. they became violent, cocky, and forceful. after, i was dragged from the house, a gun to my head, and told to drive. where they had me drive was close to my friends house, and i don't know how or why i had the balls to do it but i turned into my friends driveway, gun still to my head, and jumped out of my own car. i ran into my friends house, and he wasnt home but his parents were. they called the police, but by the time they got there, all three guys (and the girl) had ran. fortunately, they caught them not too far away.

i spent the night at the police station, with the female cop pretty much accusing me, looking at me as if i had wanted it because they were attractive and we were drinking. only one was arrested, and he later found me, came into my job and scared me out of going to court.

they're scum. one is currently in jail for murder. the other is unfortunately a father. the worst part is that one of my female friends thought i had lied, and actually started dating the guy that had been in the other room with the other girl.

took me a long time to get over that night, fucked up a lot of shit in my life, and it kicked off a 2 year drug habit.

 

And why do you call me Ms Bandwagon? I have expressed this opinion on other threads. I say what I think and don't need to follow others on here or apologise like some for my opinions.

Also, who said the victim would be personally responsible? I said they would be partially responsible. Big difference.

 

Which is the way the courts see it. However sadly when women do go forth and press charges against a man and in the case it is clear that she was drunk and he might have been might not have been the conviction rate is very low b/c it is he said she said and a lot of facts are forgotten when one of two of the parties are drunk

this then leads to many women not filing rape charges because they were drunk so many people do not see this as rape and it is also very hard to prove

 

many people believe he raped her. Look at the laws in the US this is considered rape. When a women is unable to consent to sex b/c she is intoxicated the man should not sleep with her! Period!

 

Oh, morally, sure. Legally, sure.

In terms of common sense? Fuck, no. No, she's not. She's a fucking idiot.

 

Wouldn't it be nice if people took the time to say yes or no in these circumstances?

Everyone's drunk. She's come on to him; that's a pretty clear 'yes', especially when drunk. Unless she specifically says no, I don't think he's remotely unjustified.

 

The brother of a friend of mine, accidentally wandered to one. Nothing happened to him, as nothing should have.

If I wanted to, it would be my right as long as I weren't trespassing. It should be the fair assumption that I remain unharmed. Its like saying black kids should not have gone to all white schools during early desegregation the 1950s because something bad would almost certainly happen to them...

 

It should, you say? Should? Should be the fair assumption you remain unharmed?

I've got you pegged now, mate. You're a delusional idealist.

Sure, it should. Get in the real world, mate. You mate's brother was lucky they weren't hardline, and drunk, and violent, or he'd've been royally fucked.

Putting oneself in danger and then crying because the world isn't fair is not acceptable.

 

This is bullshit to the best! Many men can see a women walking alone and looking hot or "wearing a slutty dress" and do not rape them. You are giving power over men saying they cant control themselves.

A women should be able to wear as she pleases and not be a target for rape because of an outfit or dress. Just as I should be able to walk down a street and not fear b/c I'm walking down this street so pig is going to rape me. Men should learn to control themselves or are you saying they cannot?

Where the fuck has our society gone that now believes a women cannot dress sex or slutty without worrying about rape? This is a crutch and a terrible one at that

 

I agree with you, as this also happened to me

 

Thats perfectly simple to understand, and completely and utterly irrelevant to this thread or any other. It does not matter HOW tempting you make it for someone to commit a crime, if they decide to do so, the blame lies 100% with them and zero, nada, zilch, NONE OF IT WHATSOEVER lies with you. That you should have been more responsible means less than nothing to the law.

 

There is no law requiring people to have common sense. Again - totally irrelevant to this thread.

 

Quite possibly including the fact that she did actually give consent but doesn't remember doing so. That would mean it is not rape.

 

Yes, it's terrible. But here we go again with this should stuff.

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL. HOW THE WORLD SHOULD WORK IS NOT HOW IT DOES WORK.

Is that clear enough for you? Of course it's sad that a woman can't wear what she likes walking through whatever streets she likes, but for God's sake, you imbecile, it's not like that. At all.

Irrelevant? I disagree. It does matter how tempting you make it for someone to commit a crime, because people are on the lookout for what catches their eye, and so efforts should be made not to tempt them.

If you look drunk, if you are alone, if you are scantily clad - all of these things are inviting to a rapist on the hunt. Therefore, it is prudent to make sure one is as few of these things as possible when taking one's chances.

Isn't it?

 

I'm sorry, are you proposing that we try and extend laws to cover blatant stupidity?

 

The world is not fair. That's why we have the deterrence which is the law.

Look, we all take risks everyday in life but when it comes to interpersonal interaction, we all live under a social contract. To have a stable functioning society, there must be assumptions for how we are to behave towards one another. We cannot all be anarchists and depend on our state of mind and our assessment of all possible threats to protect ourselves at all times--we'd regress back to the Neolithic age.

I see where you're coming from, we should seek to make ourselves safe, but shit happens and we more than often fall short to do so. In our societal conversation about crime we should reject the concept of criminal shared responsibility. The focus should be on the perpetrator. Victims have a hard enough time coping as it is without someone implying they are partially to blame.

And these opinions of common sense do seep into the courtroom.

 

And here in the United States it IS RAPE! When a woman or man is under the influence he or she cannot give consent, this is how our government and laws work.