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  1. shootersa

    shootersa Frisky Feline

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    Mark whatever pleases you. Your opinion is yours. You are not entitled to your own facts. Not even on this forum.
     
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    told ya so.
     
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    Girl, 14, speaks out after being denied life-saving prescription refill under Arizona abortion law

    Arpan Rai and Gustaf Kilander
    Tue, October 4, 2022 at 4:29 PM·3 min read



    An Arizona teen has spoken out after she was refused a refill of a life-saving prescription drug within 48 hours of the state abolishing abortions under its new law.

    Emma Thompson, 14, has debilitating rheumatoid arthritis and osteoporosis and had been prescribed the immunosuppressant methotrexate to fight the pain and symptoms of her disease.

    The Tucson native was refused a refill of the drug after Arizona rolled out its new law against abortions on 24 September, on the basis that the drug can also be used to end ectopic pregnancies.

    “My entire life I was in and out of the hospital,” Emma told KOLD News. “I was never able to stay in school until this past year, I was never able to ride a bike or get on the monkey bars like other kids could.”



    She said the pharmacy “didn’t look at my history” and “just denied my prescription because of my age”.

    “It’s not right. They’re trying to make any girl who’s on this medication drop a pregnancy test when they get their medicine, and I feel like it’s really unfair,” she added.

    “I couldn’t do a lot of things that other kids could do when I was a kid, and I don’t want any other little girls to have to go through that because of the new abortion law,” Emma told KOLD.

    Emma’s doctor, Deborah Jane Power, took to Twitter in a post that has since gone viral, saying the teen was denied the drug on the grounds of her gender.

    “Welcome to AZ. Today a pharmacist denied the MTX refill for my adolescent patient. She’s on 5 mg/wk to prevent AHCA Ab production. MTX denied purely because she’s a female, barely a teenager. Livid! No discussion, just a denial. Now to fight for what’s best for this pt (sic),” Dr Power wrote on Twitter.


    She added that Emma was her first paediatric patient to be denied her medication on these grounds, according to a report by KOLD news.

    “My 25 years as a physician, what I’ve learned, what I’ve trained, all the extra hours of study, is just being tossed away by lawmakers,” Dr Power told KOLD. “For some patients, it’s incredibly serious, it’s the medication that’s keeping their disease under control.”

    The doctor told the local TV station that the teenager had worked a lot over years to get her pain to a “totally manageable” stage and she was now able to attend school as a result.

    Arizona banned almost all abortions last month under the new law, which prohibits people from seeking medical termination of their pregnancy after the 15th week.

    Emma’s mother also spoke to KOLD about the improvements her daughter had seen with the drug, and how the family is now worried about having to look for alternative medication.

    “It’s her first year and she’s in high school and it feels like a dream. She’s not in a wheelchair, she has a social life and friends for the first time and a life all young people should have,” the mother said.

    She said that even a wait of 24 hours between the drug being denied and a new prescription getting approved was a source of anxiety for the family.

    “I was scared, I was really scared,” she said. “I’m like if they deny this then we’ll have to find a different medication and we don’t know if it’s going to work.”

    The teenager’s doctor said that her concern lies with pharmacists who did not want to risk finding themselves in a battle between the state and people seeking the drug.


    She added that the pharmacist chose to not refill the drug because it can be used for an abortion.

    The report added that the pharmacy which denied the drug said that its focus lies in providing medicines in compliance with applicable pharmacy laws and regulations.

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    Missouri Woman Denied Emergency Abortion Called a State Senator for Help. He Sent Her to an Anti-Abortion Clinic.

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    In August, a pregnant Missouri woman named Mylissa Farmer suddenly needed an abortion, just over a month after her state enacted its near-total abortion ban. Her water had broken 17 weeks into her pregnancy, and her medical records indicated a number of health factors placing her at greater risk of pregnancy-related complications, including increased risk of sepsis, loss of her uterus, and even death. Farmer is also 41-years-old. Doctors treating her recommended an abortion, but, of course, couldn’t provide her one under state law, reported the Springfield News-Leader.

    Farmer and her partner consulted with doctors and experts across several states and made “countless phone calls,” with—in her words—“a baby dying inside me.” They learned there was no way for their wanted pregnancy to be viable or even last another six weeks, since Farmer’s cervix was already open. If she waited it out, she and the fetus could suffer tremendously. “The thing [a doctor] said was, ‘There are things worse than death, and I have seen it,’” Farmer recounted.

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    Farmer told the newspaper she’s always identified as “pretty pro-life”—but she found herself seeking abortion care, anyway, even calling her state senator’s office to seek help. She didn’t find it.

    The office of her state senator, a Republican named Bill White, told her the state ban that was literally jeopardizing her life was actually “designed to protect the woman’s life.” Farmer recalled telling White’s aide, “It’s not protecting me.… There’s no chance for a baby; she’s not going to make it. It’s putting my life in danger.” She continued, “I’m 41, it’s not something I can recover from quickly. I could lose my uterus, there’s a lot of things that could happen. We just want to move on, we just want to grieve.” White’s office promised it would talk to the state’s Attorney General Eric Schmitt on her behalf and then connected Farmer with an anti-abortion crisis pregnancy center in the state. Farmer never heard from White’s staff again.

    There are layers to just how unhelpful it sounds like White was, but I’m particularly struck by the callousness and stupidity of trying to direct her to a crisis pregnancy center—these Christian-run “clinics” exist solely to dissuade people from having abortions by pushing lies, and the most help they could possibly offer Farmer is a non-medical pregnancy test and some diapers for her dying fetus—if she attends enough Bible study classes. These “clinics” often don’t even staff actual health care workers, and as such, they’ve increasingly become sites of surveillance—and thus, possible criminalization—for pregnant people, because their notably non-medical staff aren’t subject to the privacy standards set by HIPAA.

    That White couldn’t think of any way to help Farmer beyond sending her to a crisis pregnancy center, even as she was already losing her pregnancy (and possibly her life), is as clear a demonstration as any that anti-abortion politicians have no idea how to combat the varying life-threatening ripple effects of their bans. Yet, still, they’d rather ghost constituents in need than do anything to reverse these laws.

    After being failed by her predictably unhelpful anti-abortion state senator and the fake clinic to which he referred her, Farmer searched for abortion clinics, struggling to find a clinic in a nearby state where abortion is legal that wasn’t overbooked. With help from an abortion fund, she was connected to a clinic in Illinois, but because of all the delays, by the time she got to the clinic, she was already in labor.

    Several days after Farmer learned her pregnancy wasn’t viable and could possibly kill her, she received life-saving abortion care. It was a relief, but it wasn’t easy. Farmer recalled the toll of being confronted by anti-abortion protesters harassing her outside the clinic; she told the newspaper they echoed the sentiments her own friends had expressed to her, “saying we were killing our baby and that we were evil.”

    “It was awful, you know? We were just going through so much,” Farmer said. “We didn’t want this ... but at the same time, we had no choice.”

    Beyond the trauma of losing a wanted pregnancy and experiencing a serious threat to her life, Farmer and her partner had been shrugged off and dismissed by her state senator, ostracized by her support system, and still had substantial bills to pay and a job to get back to. “If this was a year ago, they could have induced labor and I would have been able to hold her and say goodbye,” Farmer’s partner, Matthew McNeill, told the newspaper.

    Their story is one of almost countless post-Roe v. Wade nightmares unfolding across the country recently, between teen girls denied life-saving medications they’ve always taken because they’re childbearing age and the medications could induce miscarriage, and, recently, a Tennessee woman forced to take a costly six-hour ambulance ride across state lines for a life-saving abortion. Pregnant people are being forced to carry skull-less or entirely nonviable fetuses; pregnant child rape victims and cancer patients are being forced to cross state lines for care; and the doctors who try to help them are being threatened with prison time. We may never even know the full toll of these laws, as some reproductive health care providers recently came forward about being prevented by their employers from speaking out publicly.

    All wanted abortions are medically necessary, regardless of the circumstances in which you’re seeking care. The laws unilaterally banning care are inflicting indiscriminate, dehumanizing suffering.



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    2. shootersa
      First shooter never said women get abortions in the last week.
      He said states in some cases make it legal to get an abortion that late.

      Second we all know legislation is submitted all the time. What passes, and more important, what can pass court muster is a different thing.

      You can keep twirling about red state law injustice and ignoring blue state law injustice and nothing gets resolved.

      Your scare tactics fail.
      Again.
       
      shootersa, Oct 26, 2022
    3. anon_de_plume
      Ok, back pedal much? Those are your words! They may not be exactly the same, but the meaning is still the same! I'm sure you'll argue.

      And those states have those laws to ensure that doctors don't get in legal trouble when trying to help a woman with a critical condition.

      The states that are putting serious restrictions on abortion are scaring doctors into not providing the needed healthcare.

      Pretend all you want, the Republicans are still planning to propose these laws. Go right ahead and justify their actions, they're still doing it.
       
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      Red Herring. We're discussing abortion laws, not the entire legal system.

      And you're afraid of having an honest discussion about abortion.
       
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      @anon_de_plume
      You can edit posts and ascribe whatever meaning to them that makes you happy. It does not make it reality.
      An honest discussion includes accepting what others say, not what you want them to say to fit your agenda.
      This is partly why an adult discussion with despicables is rarely productive.
      They cannot settle a discussion to their satisfaction with facts or logic so they turn to lies and propaganda.
       
      shootersa, Oct 26, 2022
    6. anon_de_plume
      Yup, just dismissive.

      You know you can't defend these Republican laws, so...

      And exactly where is your proof that these things happening to these women are not true? You do love to throw around this charge of "lies and propaganda" without actual evidence.
       
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    This is why abortion MUST remain legal!

     
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    This is propaganda from the left hoping to scare people into following the despicable practice.
     
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      Another question I bet @shootersa will not answer. Is it false propaganda? In other words a lie? Or something simply designed to persuade?

      You are very good at making flippant blanket statements but that is about as far as it goes.
       
      stumbler, Oct 27, 2022
    2. shootersa
      "False propaganda" is a redundancy.
      Propaganda by its nature does not tell the story accurately.
      Are any of those in the propaganda piece denied the right to travel to a neighboring state to get an abortion?

      @stumbler what do you say to the half of Americans who hold a sincere belief that life begins at conception and that abortion is therefore murder?
       
      shootersa, Oct 27, 2022
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    Tell that to the people that are actually experiencing these things.

    Also, do you have proof these things are not happening?

    It is also interesting that you seem to want to imply that these are unnecessary procedures. Not a single story is about an elective abortion. That is your propaganda!
     
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    This scare story does not apply everywhere in America. Roughly half the states allow abortion, in some cases up to the point of live birth.

    Abortion supporters keep turning back to the scare tactics that have served them so well for over 50 years.
    The problem is it ignores the fact that roughly half of Americans believe that life begins at or shortly after conception and that abortion is therefore murder. No consensus can be found until the abortion supporter and right to life groups resolve the question of when life begins.

    Until then we can expect the abortion supporters to continue using scare tactics and propaganda because they cannot win with facts.

    And we can expect both factions to continue to ignore the real victim in this debate, the woman that is faced with a horrific decision of what to do with an unexpected/unwanted pregnancy.
     
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    Now, anon, you have repeatedly attacked and bellittled anyone not in lock step with the idea of abortion on demand.
    You have carefully avoided addressing the half of Americans who believe life begins at or very soon after conception, and that abortion is therefore murder. Why don't you address why those who hold that belief (every bit as sincerely as those who believe life does not begin until birth) should abandon their belief to satisfy the half of Americans who believe life begins at birth?
     
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      Still can use the forum tools properly...
       
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    And here you are being disingenuous, this notion of abortion on demand means working a viable child at the latest possible moment. I've never said anything remotely close to that. My concern for late term abortion is for any woman that has complications that threaten her life, or that the fetus would become non-viable upon birth.

    But hey, you go right ahead and pretend you think you know what I've said. It's the only way you can "win"!
    And actually, no, I have not forgotten them, I just think it is none of their business to demand a complete stranger life up to their demands.

    I'm sorry you can't understand that, but you'll keep on lying about my views, because it's the only way you can "win"!
    Because those people have no say in his anyone else lives their lives! Why should their religious views trump other people's values?
     
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      It is still not your place to decide for anyone else what to do in this situation. Not everyone believes it is murder. Just because you do doesn't make it so.

      Who died and made you the arbiter of everything right and wrong?

      Nice leading question. Not everyone believes this, but you'll pretend to speak for everyone because your arrogance make you think you know better than anyone else.
       
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    3. shootersa
      So as long as you continue with the personal attacks it is obvious you can't address the issues.
      Have a nice day.
       
      shootersa, Oct 27, 2022
    4. anon_de_plume
      Personal attack? Where?

      I I'm getting the impression that your playing the victim here all because you can't continue with your line of logic.

      You really do have a thin skin!
       
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      @shootersa himself has admitted being anti abkrtiom comes down to religious beliefs.
       
      stumbler, Oct 27, 2022
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      That is a lie.
       
      shootersa, Oct 27, 2022
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    Let's be clear here. While the right wing religious sea lots on the Supreme Court begin inflicting Sharia Law For Christina on the nation, and the American Taliban swears to up hold it, The reality is while they say abortion is murder, what they mean is abortion for me but not for thee.

    You have always been able to see that. It is in blue and white on this thread. A woman has a right to abortion. To a woman's right to abortion should depend on local politicians. Which incidentally is the same form of government Afghanistan has.

    We support Herschel Walker he's a Christian and he's totally anti abortion.

    Walker had running affairs on his wife with other women where he either paid for their abortion or drove them to the clinic and forced them into getting an abortion. And now Walker continues to lie about both those women when they have the receipts.

    But if you ask treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans they still have to vote for Walker. Because you know ..... he's a good Christian man and totally anti abortion.

    PS I don't know if any of them are still there but at one time you could actually read through this thread to see how much and when treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans totally contraindicated every thing they had said for years about a woman's right to choose. And in the blink of a single court decision were suddenly saying no that's right. A woman or girl's access to an abortion needs to be decided by the local politicians.



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    Attaboy.
    You see where walker now has 2 accusers?
    See how similar it all is to the Kavanaugh shit? Wonder how long until more women pile on, and how long after that to learn its just another sleazy despicable conspiracy?
     
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    That's because he beat the crap out of his opponent in the debate...
     
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    Yup.
    Whatever it takes. Lies, propaganda, character assasination.

    No matter. Midterms.
     
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    Defending liars again! No surprise.
     
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    Calling out liars actually.
    You recall all the liars coming out with kavanaugh?
    Wanna bet it happens with walker?
     
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    @shootersa

    I am not surprised at all you would disparage the Declaration Of Independence like that. After all you don't even believe in the Constitution.

    Examples Of Propaganda In The Declaration Of Independence
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    First once again you just want to pretend every woman or girl for that matter has the means and resources to travel to another state which is just a cruel lie. Especially when we admit one of the major reasons women want an an abortion is because they live and poverty and can't afford a child.

    But since the goal and intent is to force Sharia Law For Christians on the nation enforced by the American Taliban states are trying to pass laws making it a crime to travel to another state for an abortion and treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans say they will pass a national abortion ban if they win the House and Senate.








    I say they are more than welcome to their religious beliefs but they have no right to force their religious beliefs on everyone else. And even you have admitted that's all abortion is. Religious beliefs.
     
    1. shootersa
      So now both Stumbler and anon take the position that even if life begins at conception and that abortion would therefore be murder, it is no one's business if a woman murders her unborn child.

      By logical extension then all murder is no one's business but the victim and the perpetrator.

      But it's very telling that both have stooped to personal attacks and insults because both have run out of everything else.
       
      shootersa, Oct 27, 2022
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    LOL... Kind of hard to dismiss his first accuser, she's the mother of one of his children that he never mentioned.
     
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    And do you have proof they're lies? Seems Walker's own son must be in on it, too!

    Anything to defend a Republican!
     
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