I don't need a law degree. Any moron should be able to see if the charges were dropped there was no crime committed.

Here DL try this link because as it points out:

And this:

https://www.mdcbowen.org/p2/rm/debunk/dbcrime.htm

Yes your racism and prejudice against blacks and just generally non white people would make you think that. But it is the police officer who is the professional in this instance and therefore should have known and obeyed the law as well as his own professional training.

Having contempt for law enforcement officers is not against any law.

A yes, its all about you isn't it DL?

 

It's easy for us to say that Gates should have thanked the officer for doing his job and keeping the neighborhood safe. But how do we know he didn't open the conversation with: "Up against the wall and spread 'em, boy, and I mean right fuckin' NOW!"

 

I don't remember quoting The Color of Crime: Race, Crime and Violence in America, although I may have. In a dispute of this nature I try to avoid referring to a source that might be rejected for ideological reasons. For example, when arguing with a conservative I would rather quote The Wall Street Journal than The New York Times, although I think they are equally honest and accurate in the facts they print.

The Color of Crime: Race, Crime and Violence in America sounds like a book I would like to read, but I would not quote it as a source. I like to quote original sources, like the U.S. Dept. of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics. That is what I have done in this thread.

My belief that young black men tend to be more dangerous than young white men is preconceived because it is based on what I have read, heard, and experienced in the past. It is also reinforced by what I read, hear about, and experience in my own life on a continuing basis.

 

Whereas YOU think that because the charges were dropped there WAS a crime. You've only got eight posts here and already it's clear you're an imbecile, or more likely, a sock. Nice work.

 

Personally I believe it is based on the color of their skin and then you can go and make up the reasons for it later.

But it must be great being a born martyr in a black neighborhood DL.

But try this statistical analysis:

https://www.mdcbowen.org/p2/rm/debunk/awmath.htm

 

The fallacy lies in that phrase "tend to be"...because you're generalizing about an entire race. You're also implying that this tendency is somehow independent of poverty, lack of opportunity, lack of education, lack of employment, lack of role models, lack of hope, and all the other causal factors that contribute to the crime rate.

 

You know I was just thinking the same thing about the sock at least. Did you notice how well he divided the quotes in his first post.

 

I doubt very seriously that a police officer in Cambridge, Massachusetts would have done that in 2009. However, if a police officer talked to me like that, I would not respond belligerently, like Professor Gates is said to have.

Have I mentioned that I was beaten up by two police officers once? I did not respond belligerently. If I had, they would probably have killed me.

 

Not to mention that he assumed I was a "lefty", even though I took a decidedly neutral position on this thread.

 

Then why would you assume that there aren't bad cops in the world, even in a place like Cambridge? Boston has always had a bad reputation for racism. Ask around.

 

When walking around my city after dark like I often need to, I do not think like a statistician or a sociologist. I think like someone who is trying not, once again, to be a crime victim.

 

Yes you have mentioned that you were beaten up by police officers; about 5,000 times it seems like, and after being around you awhile I can't say that I blame them. But what a wonderful contradiction from someone who wants police officers to be over zealous.

 

Yes, but your willingness to engage in such stereotypes, coupled with your unwillingness to dig more deeply into the matter, is what makes your position suspect.

 

I remember that during the trial of Charles Manson President Nixon created quite a furor by declaring that Manson was "guilty of murder." Nixon's offense was worse than President Obama's but Obama's was of the same nature.

 

deidre79's avatar is stunning. :rose:

 

If you must know, I believe that there is a genetic predisposition to engage in crime. After the Second World War a study of Danish boys adopted by nonrelatives revealed a strong correlation between felony convictions among the biological parents, and among their biological sons. In order to qualify for adoption one had to be reasonably affluent, and without any felony convictions.

I read about this in "Genes & Crime," by Christopher Jencks. This article originally appeared in the February 12, 1987 issue of The New York Review of Books.
*not_secure_link*www.nybooks.com/articles/article-preview?article_id=4871

I strongly suspect that in the not too distant future genes will be identified for crime, intelligence, and a host of other tendencies and aptitudes. Until they are identified, however, I will reserve judgment on the matter.

 

You think I should be beaten up only because of my opinions. Anyone who reads your posts and mine will probably conclude that I am more civil than you are.

The police beating did not change my attitude about the police. I considered it so unusual that no conclusions should be drawn from it. Occasionally someone is hit by a meteorite. That does not mean that a person so injured should avoid walking in the open.

 

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a genetic predisposition to crime, but that's a far cry from saying that BLACK people are genetically predisposed to crime, especially when there are so many other, more obvious causal factors.

Nevertheless, I'm glad you finally came right out and said it. Now we know where we stand.

 

I have never said, "blacks are this way, and whites are that way." I have always spoken in terms of tendencies. I do believe that genes are more important than other factors in determining not only ability levels, but also personality and character. Perhaps I am mistaken.

The fact that liberals tend to try to make what is a scientific dispute into a moral issue suggests that they fear an open discussion of this. Conservatives claim to disbelieve in the greenhouse effect, but they rarely assert that those who disagree with them are bad people who should not be allowed to express their opinions.

One should keep in mind that the study I mentioned was a study of white males. If there are genes that predispose people to crime I believe they can be found in all races, although not in the same proportion.

 

someone needs to dial back their Netflix account.

or open their mind and read
*not_secure_link*www.theroot.com/views/lawyers-statement-arrest-henry-louis-gates-jr


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If you read the actual police report here You will see this officer (an officer who for the last 5 years has taught a class called "racial profiling" at the local police academy that teaches not only about different cultures, but further that those cultures are not reasons for profiling, and that he was hand picked for that position by former Cambridge Police Commissioner Ronny Watson who is black - and knows about what qualifies as disorderly conduct in Cambridge - look up loud and tumultuous behavior) followed the letter of the law.

and I'm not assuming that report is gospel, but no one has dispelled any of it. And that report is more believable that Gate's version.

There would be no reason to arrest a man who has provided identification that he is a Harvard professor emphatically claiming you don't know who your 'messing' with, unless there is a crime.


Gates could use a class on racial profiling. *not_secure_link*www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQMYrOouFlY