Well...think about all them there tax benefits (federal fucking/State) that one will enjoy due to being married....and some death benefits that could be lost.

 

See, the thing is, a couple can be married now without benefit of state permission, or for that matter, civil ceremony.

It's called common law marriage, and all it takes is living together for a time, presenting themselves as man and wife, intending people to accept you as married, or some other goofy stuff Shooter doesn't recall right now. Basically, if the two of you decide you're married and tell the world you're married, you're married.

The civil ceremony isn't required, and the states permission isn't required.

 

The Ohio attorney general has a history of demanding children who have been raped to give birth

Sarah K. Burris
July 17, 2022



Screen cap / Twitter


Ohio Attorney General David Yost, a Republican, was issued a cease and desist letter after spreading lies about a doctor who helped a 10-year-old rape survivor who was impregnated.

Yost falsely said that the story was a lie. Once it was then proved to be true and the alleged rapist confessed, Yost then falsely said that the doctor didn't report the rape. In fact, the doctor reported the rape less than 48 hours later.

Reporter and women's rights expert Jessica Valenti pointed out that Yost has a history of this kind of behavior.

In 2019, Yost sought to ban an 11-year-old rape survivor from having access to an abortion as well.

"Sometimes, the evolution of the law requires bold steps," Yost said, in a statement to CBS News. "In the last 46 years, the practice of medicine has changed. Science has changed. Even the point of viability has changed. Only the law has lagged behind."

At the time, a police report for the 11-year-old cited a "pregnancy care center," which are often designed to talk women out of abortions. The police report quoted them blaming the 11-year-old rape survivor for the incident saying, she was "rebellious" and "refuses to listen to her mother."

https://www.rawstory.com/david-yost-children-forced-birth/

 

Abort all Black babies, every other Hispanic one, and 1/3 of white ones, and eventually we can get crime under control!

 

As medical providers point out since the Texas law allows vigilantes to sue them for abortions its a lose lose situation. Yes the doctor may be able to prove the fetus was already dead. But they would still have to dist up their practice and pay all their legal bills themselves. So its not worth it to them to perform the necessary medical procedures even though the woman is suffering, could lose her ability to get pregnant again and/or even die.


Texas mom went through 'nightmare' after being denied treatment for miscarriage: CNN

Brad Reed
July 18, 2022



Marlena Stell (Screen cap via CNN)


CNN on Monday profiled a mother in Texas who went through what the network described as a "nightmare" after being denied treatment after suffering a miscarriage because her doctor feared being sued under Texas's anti-abortion law.

In an interview with CNN, Texas mom Marlena Stell explained that her suffered a miscarriage after becoming pregnant last year, but that her doctor would not perform an operation to remove the dead fetus from her body because they could be targeted by anti-abortion activists who have been empowered by a law passed last year that allows ordinary citizens to sue anyone who helps in delivering an abortion.

Stell said the fetus stuck inside her was causing her increasing pain to the point where she had difficulty walking. She eventually found a doctor willing to perform the procedure to remove it, but only after undergoing yet another ultrasound to ensure that the fetus was actually dead.

Stell also told CNN that she does not want to try to have another child so long as she's living in Texas.

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"I'm worried about getting infected, have something happen to me and then my daughter is left without her mom," she said of the prospect of suffering another miscarriage that would not be treated.

Watch the video below or at this link.

https://www.rawstory.com/texas-abortion-law-2657687275/

 

"What about when - as some states are considering - they start arresting women for getting an abortion in another state? Will you recant your "anyone can obtain an abortion" crap?"​

And crap is what it is. Nevada has had legal gambling since the 40's, and people have openly traveled from all over the country to go to Nevada and gamble, from states where it is even today illegal to gamble. No one ever went to jail for flying to Nevada to gamble. No one ever went to jail for flying to Colorado to get marijuana when it was made legal here. Just don't try to take it home with you. No one ever went to jail for going to an area that allowed alcohol from an area that is even today a dry place, you know, no alcohol.
A state cannot make something illegal in another state. Will you and the other liberals recant their propaganda? Of course not. You just move onto the next propaganda piece. And lets not forget the legalized vigilantism those religious fanatics are cooking up, what about that? And the star chamber trials we can hold in secret to brand abortion doctors and their staff with a red "A" while we put in stocks those who receive an abortion? Or maybe we'll just kidnap all those evil people and drag them back into our state where we can deal with them easier. Otherwise, it will have to be death squads.

"Ultimately you are right - anyone can get an abortion in America - IF they are rich. Then they can afford to travel. Then they can afford to pay the right people to do it safely. They will probably not die having it done. Meanwhile, the poor folk who can't afford to travel, who can't afford the safer options, will put their lives at risk for an abortion. "​

Yet more bullshit. One can travel from New York to Los Angeles by either bus or train for around $200, by plane for $400 and you know that no matter where one is in America when they find themselves pregnant, they wouldn't have to travel even 1/5th of that to find an abortion clinic. As far as the cost of an abortion, they can be had for free, or for very little cost and you should know that. Despite all the rhetoric, quality medical care is available in America whether one can pay for it or not.
The bottom line is, you're still stamping your foot and twirling, demanding that America follow your edicts. No matter that roughly half of America thinks abortion is murder, their opinions don't count. Need to demonize and marginalize them because they are WRONG by God! WE KNOW WHATS BEST AND WE WILL HAVE OUR WAY!! NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES!!
That about cover it, darkride?

 

The GOP Mantra.

 

And once again we see @shootersa inventing a straw dog argument about no one getting charged with gambling in Nevada while totally ignoring the reality that some states are trying to pass laws making it illegal for a woman to travel to a state for an abortion and also trying to pass laws to punish a woman's employer if they assist her travel to another state for an abortion.


When in reality @shootersa has no credibility on the abortion issue. None. Because @shootersa's pronouncements and alleged values are entirely based on who is president and what the religious zealots on the Supreme Court do. So if they want to allow states to outlaw abortion that is now fine with @shootersa in direct contradiction to what he has always said in the past.

A thorough review is in order beginning with @shootersa's previous predictions.

 

According to the United Nations' 2013 report, only nine countries in the world have a higher reported abortion rate than the United States. They are: Bulgaria, Cuba, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Romania, Russia, Sweden, and Ukraine (and probably China, who is fudging the numbers). So we're in great company.

@submissively seemingly took umbrage with a comment I made suggesting that many women do not see abortion as an act of consequence. Part of her reply follows, “Really of little consequence”. That’s … quite a mental leap. Next you’ll be hauling out the “abortion as birth control” trope. Abortion is a medical procedure, often prescribed or deemed medically necessary for a myriad of reasons. Or found to be necessary by the woman carrying the fetus, based on a myriad of compelling reasons, none of them anyone else’s concern.
Even if I agreed that your passing interest in a fetus (and I do mean passing; y’all don’t give a flying fuck about that child or mother post-delivery) carries the same weight as the subject’s reasons or medical diagnosis compels - which I don’t, but for funsies let’s say I do - no individual should be compelled to do anything to their body they don’t want to do.

As much as @Submissive showcases her concern about the mother, all pro-abortion advocates really have going for them are 1) it used to be legal, but, but, but SCOTUS.... 2) a significant number of abortions are medically necessary, 3) don't tell me what to do with my body, and 4) really, really don't boss me around, it's my body. And as a coda to her response, @Submissive's coup de grâce of y’all don’t give a flying fuck about that child or mother post-delivery, almost delivered in passing like a cheap, throw away line, is just such a stooopid meme Libs push as if only Liberal Democrats, Socialist Democrats and neo-Marxists can or do care about babies and children.

Approximately 31% of all pregnancies in New York City (excluding spontaneous miscarriages) end in abortion (2018; CDC), and women with one or more prior abortions accounted for 42% of all abortions in the US (2019; CDC). So yeah, I see a lot of women who I think view the act as not having great consequence.

@Submissive said, Abortion is a medical procedure, often prescribed or deemed medically necessary for a myriad of reasons. Really? Let's talk about 2) a significant number of abortions are medically necessary since this is a category which can be objectively measured. I personally feel a certain, relatively small number of abortions are medically necessary. Those who tell us there are no substantive medical or psychological reasons for abortion are as radical, to me, as those who would perform an abortion immediately prior to birth. But pro-abortion advocates always, always use the mother's health as one of their primary reasons for supporting abortion. While this is a legitimate and important rationale, how critical is abortion to actually maintain the health of expectant mothers and what percentage of abortions are for more subjective, elective reasons?

Primary nationwide abortion statistics for the United States are available from two sources—privately from the Guttmacher Institute (AGI) and publicly from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). Guttmacher’s numbers, published every three years, come from direct surveys of all known and suspected abortion providers in the United States. The CDC numbers, published annually, are derived from actual counts of every abortion reported to state health departments. Unfortunately, California, Maryland, and New Hampshire do not publicly report abortion totals. As such, Guttmacher’s abortion numbers are more complete, but they are approximations.

In 2004, the Guttmacher Institute anonymously surveyed 1,209 post-abortive women from nine different abortion clinics across the country. Of the women surveyed, 957 provided a main reason for having an abortion. This table lists each reason and the percentage of respondents who chose it. Less than 7.5% cite physical or mental health issues with the mother or fetus. This number is higher than I had expected and I admit to being surprised. Yet, still, more than 92.5% of abortions were elective for one reason or another.


Percentage Reason
<0.5% Victim of rape
3% Fetal health problems
4% Physical health problems
4% Would interfere with education or career
7% Not mature enough to raise a child
8% Don't want to be a single mother
19% Done having children
23% Can't afford a baby
25% Not ready for a child
6% Other

The state of Florida records a reason for every abortion that occurs within its borders each year. In 2020, there were 74,868 abortions in Florida. This table lists each reason and the percentage of abortions that occurred because of it. 4.7% of abortions in Florida were due to physical or psychological complications of the mother or fetus, thus more than 95% of abortions in Florida were elective for one reason or another.


Percentage Reason
0.01% The pregnancy resulted from an incestuous relationship
0.15% The woman was raped
0.20% The woman's life was endangered by the pregnancy
0.98% There was a serious fetal abnormality
1.48% The woman's physical health was threatened by the pregnancy
1.88% The woman's psychological health was threatened by the pregnancy
20.4% The woman aborted for social or economic reasons
74.9% No reason (elective)

So when @Submissive tells me that an abortion is a medical procedure often prescribed or deemed necessary for a myriad of reasons, the numbers don't seem to back up her assertion -- unless she sees less than 5% of the total as representing often. But I am also sure that @Submissive will tell me that responses like: Would interfere with education or career, Not mature enough to raise a child, Don't want to be a single mother, Done having children, Can't afford a baby and Not ready for a child, are "a myriad of compelling reasons," enough at least to elect to abort the fetus. Are they? Are they compelling? Additionally, I'm sure that to her it's also none of my business why a woman elects abortion. However, since there are two bodies involved, not one, I disagree...

There is no reason anymore for a woman to get pregnant if she doesn't want to. For those 95% of women who don't have an actual medical condition, if a man knocks her up and she later wants an abortion, that's when many states gets involved, for better or for worse.

Choose your state carefully.

https://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/
https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm

 

LOL, you baby killing biden supporters are going to have much more than abortion to worry about after the midterms in November...

 

These people do not exist. No one expects a woman to get pregnant for the sole purpose of getting an abortion. It's just propaganda from the right.

The term is pro choice. I personal don't like the idea of abortion, but it is not my place to dictate to others what they should do, so the term is pro-choice, so they are free to decide for themselves what to do.

The pro-life people are really hypocrite, as they insist the mother give birth, only to abandon them once the child is born. Pro life is a true misnomer!

 

LOL... they think they're sqwaking now over Trump...wait until the majority of the MAGA candidates get elected...oh my...wont be safe for women and children around these parts.

 

In you mind...personal responsibility no longer exists in today's society?

 

Stumbler has truly gone off the edge.
Not a single statement in this post is even remotely supportable.
[Especially not for Trump and his treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans who never take personal responsibility always try to blame others and are constantly the poor poor pitiful me ethereally wounded little snowflake victims.]

 

It’d be nice if there were proper tagging so that I’d, you know, get an alert.

sigh


Statements above ^^^ predicated on facts not in evidence. Gosh I hate having to repeat myself.

So. If they can’t tell you how many, and they can’t tell you the race, they sure as hell can’t tell you why.

Guttmacher says:

Emphasis mine.

Uh-huh. Eighteen year-old study, 1209 surveys. Missing half a percentage somewhere, but let’s not split hairs. The ‘other’ 6% is questionable, but 7% of an overall number is nothing to sneeze at. On some quick calculations from Statista, of the 74.71 million women of childbearing age in the United States, 7% is 5.23 million women.

Colouration mine.

Now, Florida can’t tell you how many people have had Covid. They can’t reliably tell you how many votes are cast. I’m supposed to rely on their numeration skills here?

But my question is - who the hell believes that 75% of ‘no reason’ (and I will assume here that no reason was given - women just don’t have abortions for no reason) should fall in the ‘elective’ category? That’s a bald and fallacious assumption. You don’t know why, because they didn’t say why, probably because it’s nobody’s business as to why.


So let’s review.

You can call me a pro-abortion advocate all you want, like you’re getting away with something sneaky. You aren’t. You’re just wrong.

I didn’t say significant, but if I was gonna run with your numbers (which I won’t, because you don’t have any idea what the numbers are, and neither do I) I’d agree that ~7% was significant so I won’t quibble too much.

Let’s talk about percentages of state funds set aside for the support for mothers and young children. Health networks, child care, healthy babies/healthy mothers programs, you know, them good ol’ socialist safety nets for those moms who number between 20-23% of your numbers. Let’s talk about foster care programs that work, adoption systems that work. Let’s talk about what y’all are doing for those children once they take a breath, once they become a mental, emotional, physical and financial burden on women who would otherwise choose not to gestate a fetus. Let’s talk about the paid time off you give those mamas to take care of those babies so she and the child and whatever other child or family member she has to feed and clothe and house can eat and thrive. Because as far as I can tell, y’all do not give a flying fuck about those babies or the mothers.

You’re not great with numbers, I guess? Like I said, your best guess is 7%. I’d actually estimate that at about 15, personally, but I’m not a certified statistician.

Yes. Because they want one is reason enough, never mind any other.

And yeah. It’s a person’s body. They have full and ultimate autonomy over their own corporeal self. They could cut off a toe; you’d have no recourse. Unless and until it’s outside her body, a fetus is her body, and it is hers to do with as she wishes.

Now.

It is fucking mind-numbingly boring and bullshit posts like this that initiated my abandonment of the politics forum. Sweet fancy crackers this was painful.

I do believe I shall once again take my leave and let you all bludgeon each other to death.

Cheers.

 

It's how shooter obfuscates discussions. It's also how he gets plausible deniability when he gets his ass hand back to him. "I wasn't talking to you so... !"

 

I really don't think this guy gets it...

https://www.advocate.com/politics/2...should-oppose-abortion-so-they-can-adopt-kids

And if you're unwilling to click the link, you are choosing to remain ignorant. Sorry, I'm tired of scrolling past c&p, as well as those that quote long posts. Why must you torture us twice?

 

Marjorie Taylor Greene demands forced births for women 'if it's a circumstance they didn't plan'

 

Greene Calls Non-Biological Parents 'Fake' Amid Post-Roe Adoption Push (msn.com)
From a Newsweek article. She's being a tad hypocritical. Force a birth but adoptive parents are fake.

 

Isn't that a very creative way to say raped.